THE LAST DITCH

I know many of my liberty-minded friends have little time for Liberty (fka the National Council for Civil Liberties). At times in its history it has been little better than a leftist front falsely associating highly illiberal people with the idea of freedom. Sometimes, however, it gets it right and though sometimes I have to hold my nose to be so, I am a member.

Yesterday I received a mailing from Shami Chakrabarti asking for money (they always ask for money) and urging me to write to my MP about the Communications Data Bill

The Government plans to instruct private companies to collect and store our "communications data". That means records of emails, web activity, texts and phone calls – for the entire population. The reasons for storing the data are very broadly defined. Access could be granted to hundreds of public bodies for reasons that have nothing to do with fighting crime.

This amounts to mass, blanket surveillance of the population – outsourced to the private sector. 

Yes, the Snooper's Charter – seen off during the last Labour government – is back. Compare and contrast the government's stance on our privacy with its approach to its own – as witness the dishonestly-named Justice and Security Bill which will create secret trials in the land of habeas corpus and Magna Carta.

I now have to ask myself what exactly is the point of the Conservative Party? It, and its coalition partners, promised they would roll back Labour's assault on civil liberty. These latest proposals suggest otherwise.

15 responses to “Just what is the point of the Conservative Party?”

  1. Antisthenes Avatar
    Antisthenes

    I would go further and say what is the point of any politician or political party. They have evolved to a point where ineptitude, corruption, cronyism and oligarchy is the norm. Government of the people for the people by the people has been replaced by government of the people is for the few and by the few. Representative democracy was brought about by centuries of struggle and was effective for a while. However it is no longer true and because of the influence of the likes of the social democrats, illiberal control freaks and other loons like the Greens not forgetting the EU’s additional layer of undemocratic government representative democracy has been replaced with representative dictatorship. If power is to be put firmly into the hands of the people where it rightly belongs then politicians should not be in a position to be able to make decisions or govern let them take up the role of lobbyists like other vested interests. Replace them in our parliaments with apolitical representatives who implement only those policies and practices that the people have decided upon.

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  2. Suboptimal Planet Avatar

    I now have to ask myself what exactly is the point of the Conservative Party?
    To prevent the rise of a genuine alternative to Labour.

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  3. Suboptimal Planet Avatar

    Incidentally, I love the way lefties get excited about ‘private companies’ seeing our data. If it weren’t subject to government access requests, I’d be quite comfortable with Apple, Google, and Facebook storing personal information about me. The worst they can do with it is try to persuade me to buy things!

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  4. Cascadian Avatar
    Cascadian

    Frankly, I would save my money.
    I think there is sufficient evidence to believe that government already has the ability to monitor all satellite ground station and fiber-optic node communications, Google ECHELON. There is also the agreement between NSA-UKUSA members to transfer information, thus allowing governments to quite honestly deny monitoring domestic communications whilst getting the data from a UKUSA member.
    Of course ability to monitor does not infer capability to interpret, which seems to be the weak link at present, though it would (presumably) be pretty simple to program a system to create a watchlist of chatter containing keywords.
    As to “What is the point of the conservative party” the answer surely is:
    To annoy liebour, to irritate real Conservatives, and to encourage greenies.

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  5. Andrew Avatar
    Andrew

    To help maintain the illusion of choice.

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  6. Moggsy Avatar
    Moggsy

    The party system in the UK seems to be basically like Pepsi vs Coke. I read they even wanted their parties to be financed by the taxpayer also.
    Really this is a system that is being sewn up by the “political classes” they pick a party Join, get dropped in by “central office” to a constituency and push the same agenda, with anything handy as an excuse. Things like warondrugsorganizedcrimnterrorism.
    They nip and chip away at the citizens liberties and rights. They have not got it perfect just yet, some stuff they still have to jump through hoops over, but how much longer?
    Maybe they are more hones and straight about it in China.

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  7. Moggsy Avatar
    Moggsy

    I guess it would be a bit naughty to include keywords in (jihad) general (drugs shipment)communication? It might make spying (arms shipment) on us all (minister’s expenses)a little more bother.

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  8. Tomsmith Avatar
    Tomsmith

    “If power is to be put firmly into the hands of the people where it rightly belongs”
    Why is it right that other people be given coercive power over me? What is the point of democracy is a more important question.

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  9. Cascadian Avatar
    Cascadian

    Your file number is UK20112012-1234.
    Your bank account balance is……….oh dear!
    Assuming you don’t already have a file started, which is a big assumption.
    But don’t worry, the information is in the safest hands until it is left on a memory stick in a train carriage on the 3:30 to Cheam.

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  10. Tom Avatar

    I have a much stronger preference between Coke and Pepsi than I do between the mainstream political parties in Britain.

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  11. Cascadian Avatar
    Cascadian

    I remember well as a young man (so it was an extremely long time ago) the Emperor Rosko on Radio Caroline explain that in polite society you drank Coke with meat and Pepsi with fish.
    These things are important to know, choosing a party to vote for-not so much, because you end up with the equivalent of the cheapest supermarket “Coke” knockoff, after being promised Dom Perignon.

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  12. Moggsy Avatar
    Moggsy

    I’ll go for Coke light if I have a choice.. I hope youe’ll still repect me ^_^

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  13. Matt Avatar
    Matt

    Coke light- or is it lite? Pansy !
    Coke Zero. For real men.

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  14. Moggsy Avatar
    Moggsy

    Oooh! OOh! I know the answer. Is the point is to badmouth the Independance Party as a crazy right wing racist party?

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Tom is a retired international lawyer. He was a partner in a City of London law firm and spent almost twenty years abroad serving clients from all over the world.

Returning to London on retirement in 2011, he was dismayed to discover how much liberty had been lost in the UK while he was away.

He’s a classical liberal (libertarian, if you must) who, like his illustrious namesake, considers that

“…government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.”

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